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Why Harley Riders are the WORST Riders.

by MCrider - Motorcycle Training

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Published 4 Aug 2023

Why is it that Harley Davidson riders seem to struggle with their riding skills more than riders of other brands of motorcycles? Is that an accurate statement or a bad stereotype? Let's talk about it this week on MCrider. BECOME A MEMBER GET INSTANT ACCESS TO THE FORUMS AND FIELD GUIDE http://www.MCrider.com/Member Do you like MCrider and want to get more training, get involved, and help MCrider grow? SUBSCRIBE to MCrider on YouTube http://www.MCrider.com/subscribe WATCH EVERY MCRIDER VIDEO EVER RELEASED http://www.MCrider.com/watch SIGN UP FOR THE WEEKLY MCRIDER NEWSLETTER http://www.MCrider.com/email MCRIDER MERCHANDISE Hats and keychains: http://www.MCrider.com/hat MCrider Reflective Decals: http://www.MCrider.com/decal t-shirts: http://www.teespring.com/stores/mcrider LET CONNECT http://www.facebook.com/MCRiderSkills/ https://twitter.com/mcriderskills LEARN MORE about Kevin and MCrider, hear my story and how this thing called MCrider started http://www.MCrider.com/eye SHOP ONLINE with these links and a portion of the sale will support MCrider http://www.MCrider.com/amazon I will see you on the road, Kevin at MCrider

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@MCrider9 months ago Become a Member of MCrider and help me continue to make videos just like this.
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@jamesmcgrath19529 months ago I' m now 71 years old. While i still ride (i have 5 bikes) i no longer ride harleys. 500 or so lbs is my limit these days. Hey, i have to be realistic. . ...Expand 575
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@FreeSwimmer8 months ago 48 years ago i got my 1st motorcycle. A 1973 yamaha125 enduro that always stayed in the dirt. I then got a 1979 husky 250 dirt bike and then was racing . ...Expand 7
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@raymondlong30249 months ago I' m a 20 year harley rider, and these are some of the most true statements i' ve ever heard. I generally myself meet 1-2 new riders every year and . ...Expand 20
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@johneverett39479 months ago Been riding for 55+ years and youre 100% correct. Any time a friend or family member decided to get a motorcycle i pushed for classes, a midsize motorcycle a . ...Expand 167
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@ReifferMadness9 months ago Well said! I currently ride an ultra classic, and i also pursue training and advanced riding courses because i want to master that motorcycle. I' m . ...Expand 14
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@sweetdrahthaar79519 months ago Ive got a quick story about bad motorcycle riders. I had ridden both dirt and street for decades, and was thinking about demoing some bikes. Found out y . ...Expand 34
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@flexjoe9 months ago Amen. I ride an indian. At 19, i totalled one bike. The elderly lady who cut me off said she never saw me. At this time i realized that the only person . ...Expand 147
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@RPO7679 months ago Very good summary and well presented too. Great points that i absolutely agree with. Thank you. When i learned to ride back around 1970 a 350 was a big . ...Expand 17
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@dyates63809 months ago I can' t deny this. I have a harley and i was a brand new rider. I took my time big time. Mine is a 2005 soft tail that i got for a great price, and . ...Expand 54
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@jamesstead14969 months ago I ride a triumph rocket i roadster. It' s been my bike since ' 16. I' m 61 now and still have a heartbeat for the bike. I' ve had some . ...Expand 9
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@terrythornock64689 months ago Excellent briefing sir, as usual!
im 63 next month and a 100% disabled veteran and above knee amputee due to a car turning into me while o id="hidden12"n my yamaha road star 1600 on june 18, 2005. I had ridden 17 years.
i stayed off the bikes for 5 years and then bought my 2011 hd road king classic and had a pingel shifter put on it. I still ride that bike today, some 58, 500 miles later.
i believe every word you said!. ...Expand 5
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@user-ik7fk4ss1q9 months ago I taught myself on a 650cc single cylinder suzuki savage over the course of a few months, staying in my neighborhood first, getting used to controlling . ...Expand 4
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@robertclark99 months ago I rode harleys for 30yrs. After i retired, and because of numerous arthritic issues, i bought a suzuki 650 burgman executive. The cvt is perfect for me. . ...Expand 205
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@markcraig37029 months ago Great video kevin, as usual, you are spot on. I have been riding motorcycles since is was 8 years olds, i am now 66 and ride a 2018 honda goldwing dct . ...Expand 3
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@user-vm1iv3qz3q9 months ago I started riding as a kid on a 50cc dirt bike and have owned many bikes in my 60 years. I traded in my street glide for a smaller heritage classic this . ...Expand 6
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@motomichael47759 months ago You' re spot on kevin, and i too have witnessed riders that aren' t ready for the larger bike they bought. Too bad ego prevents so many from working i am an advocate for tiered motorcycle licensing. If everyone starts out small bike, then there' s no stigma riding a small bike. ...Expand 3
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@geoffc31919 months ago As a former owner of two harley davidsons over 11 years in the u. K. I enjoyed this guys pitch. Having been on an eaglerider tour in the old wild west, i . ...Expand 4
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@mtblantonjr9 months ago I can partially agree with this. I went from a 2001 yamaha fz-1 to a 2006 ultra classic. There was a learning curve due to the massive weight difference. . ...Expand 4
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@markanderson50779 months ago I concur. I was an msf coach for 12 years. We recommended new riders buy a used metric bike in the 500-750cc range and ride for a year. At the six month . ...Expand 207
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@peterhessedal85399 months ago My friend and i used to argue about this with his dad and brother all the time. His dad used to complain that sports bikes are too dangerous. We responded, . ...Expand 4
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@carlwalker20179 months ago My first bike was (and still is) a road king classic. I did exactly as you recommend against. Anyway, almost 50k miles later i think ive got the hang o . ...Expand 7
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@skippyjf689 months ago I have been riding on and off for 25 years on < 500cc bikes. I recently moved up to the heavyweight touring bikes, 1st an 89 gold wing, now a 17 street . ...Expand 1
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@rammyify9 months ago I am from india and harley street 750 is considered a entery level motorcycle to the big boys club. While i love to ride these big motorcycles, i have . ...Expand 3
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@scottschrader16309 months ago The biggest thing i learned after 54 years on two wheels i think came from you. Counter steering! I have a he' ll of a time explaining this to young . ...Expand 1
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@aarona.aardvark41719 months ago When i took the msf class i took it at the local harley dealership, we did it on the street 500. After passing the course i wanted something the size of . ...Expand 120
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@vermhot9 months ago You are absolutely correct on all of this! Im 54 and started riding dirt bikes when i was 6 or 7 and when i turned 18 i bought a suzuki 400 and crash i . ...Expand 1
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@JohnSmith-yk3dp4 months ago As a motorcycle police officer, i see all brands of large cc motors (and smaller cc) crash due to lack of formal training. Msf is a starting point or an you just spent $25 k and up for any top cruiser, spend a couple grand on training. Isn' t your safety or life worth that?. ...Expand 2
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@timalsco9 months ago My first bike was the electra glide ultra limited after my learn to ride class. I did realize that i did not know how to ride it. I immediately bought safe riding!. ...Expand 1
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@raygifford8729 months ago I personally knew a couple of guys who took the msf course and went out and bought harleys as their first bikes. Within a few months, both guys told me now, i wasn' t there, so i didn' t see either situation, but i' ve never laid my bike down to miss hitting a car that pulled out in front of me. I have, however, been lucky enough to avoid at least a dozen accidents where someone has pulled out in front of me while riding bikes both small and large.
i completely agree with this video and have voiced this same opinion on many occasions.
thank you for putting this out. ...Expand 8
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@ken2tou9 months ago You are spot on. Been riding since 67. Didnt really learn to ride with skill until 80.
I still practice when I can and make it a point to id="hidden31" class="buttons">do difficult slow speed maneuvers as often as possible.
Im 72 and still ride my 07 CVO Ultra Classic.
In 2013 I took a two day skills class with the County of Alameda Sheriffs Dpt. It was the toughest class ever.
Ride alert, defensively and within your skill level!
Practice often! .. ...Expand 1
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@brushcreek9 months ago A good friend and coworker wanted a bike and had never ridden. He bought the harley, had a friend drive it home into his garage, took the msf to get his . ...Expand 43
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@edwardallan1979 months ago I am 68. After 5 years on a 450, i got a gl10 wing. About 300 more lbs, but very stable. I am having fun, and studying teaching videos like yours. I id="hidden33" am learning a lot, and picking gradually more challenging routes. I am not cocky, or unaware that i am not a master. Yet. ...Expand 1
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@Wildturkey101219 months ago I totally agree with you on this. I see a lot of people in the hog chapter that are scary. I worked my way up, and i got a 04 road king and was really . ...Expand 3
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@scottmaz40639 months ago I grew up riding motorcycles mini bikes dirt bikes road bikes and even racing. I have a friend who got a harley a fxr. First time out with him he crashed. . ...Expand 1
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@suleimanshaik9 months ago Hi sir. Love the video, i own a hd and it is a heavy beast - agreed. Been following your channel for a while ( some years) yip, i' ve learned not to i wanted to buy the dropguards, but ti does not seem to ship to south africa. ...Expand
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@bostonbruins409 months ago I agree with your learning approach for sure. I would also point out that this is not limited to harley riders. Many metric new riders want to jump on . ...Expand 8
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@dennisfariello48529 months ago I made this mistake, however not with a harley but a big kawasaki voyager xii- my dream bike - when i got back into riding after a 30 year hiatus. Took now*, almost 4 years and 50, 0+ miles later, and with three or four intermediate classes under my belt (i take at least one class a year) i can make old gertrude do pretty much anything i want her to do, at any time, and go exactly where i want her to go. *Most of the time*. *Mostthings i am really comfortable with. mostsituations on the road i am very good at avoiding completely. I ask a lot of my old bike. I commute in philadelphia traffic andi also spend a lot of time at turnpike speeds. I also spend time chasing a friend on his concours 14 through the pennsylvania mountain twisties. I am not, and never will be, arider. Anyway, my point is, i should have gotten a smaller bike and then after a year or so gotten the big voyager. ...Expand 29
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@MarkPalmer10009 months ago I started riding at age 17 in 1986. My first bike was a honda cx500, and at 500 pounds it was more than enough bike for a new rider to start out on. I . ...Expand 1
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@inspector41339 months ago Totally agree. You could have added that those riders who own those expensive, shiny garage queens don' t ride that much. A few summer weekends, only . ...Expand 4
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@storymansworldofdiscovery18313 months ago I got back in after 20 years and bought a 1998 honda shadow aero - what are your thoughts on that?
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@jaychoi75699 months ago Im a brand new rider that took the msf course at a harley dealership. We did use those 500cc bikes you mentioned in the video that no one ever rides o . ...Expand 1
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@leslopez97389 months ago @mcrider i truly enjoy your videos and the way you explain things for the new riders.
i would love to see you make a video on how to handle a lane i' m embarrassed to admit this after riding for over 20 years, lol. ...Expand 1
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@1966impala1009 months ago I rode my 883 sportster for 15 years. Ive heard all kinds of remarks about it. When it came time to ride long distance most of my friends would bail o . ...Expand 46
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@paulristow90669 months ago This is all great advice. Wonderful video hope people listen. I rode smaller bikes when i was young and fast learned that braking in dangerous situations was a hard skill to learn. Fortunately, being young i survived. 1
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@EasyEd19559 months ago I have maintained my motorcycle license since the age of 16. I' ve not own a bike since 21. I miss it beyond words.
currently torn between 600-750cc torn about buying a used bike, just like a car, how well was it treated?. ...Expand
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@Andrew-nh5zg9 months ago Totally agree with the video. I made the jump from a yamaha bolt to a concours 14 and struggled. However, i focused on a lot of parking lot practice and . ...Expand 1
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@donlord78049 months ago I enjoy your channel and the perspectives you share are on target, i had put in a while back for one of the reflector helmet stickers you had offered yet . ...Expand
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@boatman2223459 months ago I totally agree with your comments regarding the advisability of starting small. Years ago i gave a talk in nyc on selecting a sea kayak appropriate to . ...Expand
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@JackTRyan9 months ago I started on a 500 cc scooter, went to a 750, then an ultra glide. I recommend the progression approach plus the msf materials. 29
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@christopherstrange34308 months ago Do you make drop guards for harley cruisers? It appeared on the website that they were only for touring models. Thanks.
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@jefferyosgood95669 months ago You are so spot on and some new riders pride get in the way of common sense. Ive been riding 50 years and started on a yamaha 250 two stroke, worked u . ...Expand 1
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@Doc_Felix9 months ago I fully agree with the thought! Never owned a harley (rarely drive one - liked them a lot) but the first bike i bought after getting my license on a honda . ...Expand 1
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@mkruse99289 months ago You are absolutely right! I think, people underestimate, how long it takes to master a bike. I' m writing from germany and if you want to get a driver' s . ...Expand 2
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@brianfriend68589 months ago I soldmotorcycles for 2 years. You are spot on. I have so many stories i could tell. The biggest problem i had was trying to convince certain customers after qualifying them to consider a smaller bike. Most would get offended. I will tell one example. I had a man come up to and said i want that bike right there. He pointed at a 2008 ultra completely stock (not lowered with stock seat) the problem was he was about 5' 8" with a 30" inseam. I told him to go ahead and sit on it first. He got pissed and told me he didn' t need to sit on thebike. Write the #&up! I said ok. We did the paperwork and i rode it to our staging area. I was going to show him how to operate the radio etc and he looked at his girlfriend and said b! " h, get on. I told that he should take it for a ride first before he put her on it. He told me to shut the f#&k up. He was on his tip toes when she got on. He rode about 5 feet and crashed. She went rolling off and scraped her arm but not bad. He then said, honey, you might want to drive the car home. I called him out. I said one minute ago she was your b! @#$@. Now she' s your honey! We never saw him again. ...Expand 109
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@darrinhorowitz1139 months ago Im 72 but when i cant ride safely ill quit. I been on bikes since 1968. I started on very small ccs.
great advice. 1
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@zanzeroth9 months ago What are your thoughts on larger displacement motorcycles that don' t have a lot of horsepower. Suzuki' s boulevard m50 and c50 comes to mind where . ...Expand
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@djh3_88hinskey59 months ago My neighbor just bought his first motorcycle. Yup an hd street glide. Pretty bike, i will say he is approaching it in a carful way. He is in law enforcement i was in the usaf and they had a regulation you had to go to the msf course on base to ride. I had been on my big suzuki gs 10 dresser for maybe a month or maybe 2. I felt like i accomplished something when i finnished the course on my own bike as big as it was. ...Expand 1
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@earnestbennettjrbey6139 months ago I really like your approach, and the attention getting title. Even more so your content is great, on this subject.
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@leesturgis48419 months ago Great video kevin. Thank you for sharing.
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@fixedmyharley26379 months ago Kevin, you are 100% right. You hit all the points. I was lucky enough to attend a 2 week motor school 30 yrs ago, and i was properly trained in low speed . ...Expand 31
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@BlackMountainCycles9 months ago I took my dad to an empty church parking lot when he got his new bagger and had him do a bunch of slow speed maneuverers and emergency braking. He was slow speed practice is a must. ...Expand
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@dynamicduck87779 months ago I ride a 2019 road king special. I got my first bike for my 5th birthday. I probably put 200, 0 miles on an old cr250 riding around my farm and with a . ...Expand 1
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@jeffreyyarko80499 months ago I' ve ridden for over 30yrs. 1st bike 78 honda 400, 6 bikes and close too half a million miles i stepped up. Finally having time i bought a kawasaki . ...Expand 1
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@RoadCaptainEntertain9 months ago Started on a 90cc scrambler when i was 15 years old, i rode on and off road until i wore it out.
rode dads ' 64 duo-glide for a couple of years had a couple of honda 305' s and 350' s.
when i was 38 years old (with 23 years experience) bought a new springer softail and i never wrecked it.
i am now 68 years old and the h-d has been parked for 10 years now.
start small, get good then go big. ...Expand
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@chrissunde11049 months ago Great video, you make some excellent points.
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@larryzaborowski64419 months ago A harley ceo once stated " harley doesn' t just sell motorcycles, they sell aand their membership usually conforms to the group. i know of an independent mechanic that avoids harleys, he says harley owners have a mindset he doesn' t want to deal with. Godspeed to everyone. ...Expand 20
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@Vanguard19879 months ago What i have witnessed is successful completion of the basic rider course, purchase of the big harley davidson, take about a dozen short rides on it and . ...Expand 1
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@kickboxingm88 months ago I must say the comment you give are indeed quite to the point. Kudos for the use of the title for the clip had me going as well as you say hd has qu id="hidden62"ite the rep and standard set up when considering a big bulky cruiser. I' m a 31 yo driver and grew up with motor cycles (more specifically honda goldwing) and started driving at legal age it is said 18 yo to now riding a yammie fz8-s and considering going up a notch to those good ol' choppers. In belgium the rule is that you can' t go higher than 125cc to begin with so the tip to actually start small is and take lessons when you go up if necessary is really valuable. Interesting to see these kind of rules don' t apply to you guys in the us and how this probably impacts the view that car drivers have of us riders. Really and interesting point of view you shared and definitely food for thought for some of us. ...Expand
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@beafy21778 months ago I went from riding a dirtbike to a sporster and i was in for a treat i cant imagine new riders going and jumping on a bagger. 1
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@trer19699 months ago I started riding when i was seven. First mini bikes, then graduated to dirt bikes, raced motocross on the weekends for a few years, then on to street id="hidden63" bikes. Coming up on 50 years of riding now, have always owned at least one bike every day since i started. I' m so thankful i started young and learned the basics in the dirt. Those skills have saved my rear in many a situation over the years. And i have preached your message for decades now. Do not start out on a two-wheeled land barge. I' ve seen so many people in over their heads on h-d' s. Some have died. Usually overestimating their skills in a tight turn, or not knowing how toalcohol and not wearing helmets didn' t help. Personally, i got bored riding h-d' s a few years ago. Switched to a ducati multistrada. Eventually, it got to where i was barely putting 1, 0 miles a year on my bikes. Now i' m averaging around 5, 0 miles a year. ...Expand 1
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@TheBlueDogMan9 months ago I like a lot of people learned on a small japanese dirtbike. In fact, i rode dirt bikes into my early 20s. Ive always felt like having that background m . ...Expand 1
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@MrEd60669 months ago It' s hard to learn anything when you are scared. Scared to try anything for fear of tipping over in the parking lot, scared of what unleashing the . ...Expand 58
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@richbenoit18403 months ago Last year, at an organized ride, i overheard two 50+talking about this " new" thing called.
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@ozgotsoul9 months ago " if your ccs greatly outweigh your talent, you' re looking for trouble" sound advice right there for anyone, regardless of whatever brand you ride i reckon. Great vid @mcrider - many thanks.
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@geoffreyshepler49549 months ago Spent a good ten years on my sporty. I finally broke down and bought me bagger. An r18b. I really miss my sportster. 1
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@user-lj8ry6xj6m7 months ago Truer words were never spoken. Great content here. I took the msf course on a little 250cc metric of some kind at the age of 55, and then started out on . ...Expand
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@mindscramble82488 months ago Started on a 2003 honda rebel 250 and was fortunate enough that the riding course i took in west la had almost nothing but those 250 rebels to learn on. about a decade later i got my first harley- a 2020 street bob (107) significantly heavier than the rebel but considered light for a harley and it suits me well within the city here.
the rebel is still going strong, the thing is bulletproof, and i still use it as i alternate between the two to preserve them both. It' s working out wonderfully. ...Expand
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@jbstech709 months ago Great video. I am one who took the class at a harley davidson dealership just a one month and a half ago and i passed with an average score. I went back . ...Expand 10
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@stevek44494 months ago I was looking at their panam adv bike, but from a diy perspective, i hate the air filter being under the fuel tank i would have to remove to check after off roading.
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@jamesbrouse92579 months ago Great advice. I started riding last year at 53yrs old. Seemed like the smart thing to do. Took the freetotal control msp in pa and bought a 1987 suzuki dont spend a bunch of money on your first bike. Lots of cheap medium sized bikes for sale. ...Expand 1
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@thomascochran36413 months ago You are a wise man and you speak the truth. Unfortunately, many people do not want to hear the truth. They only hear what they want to hear. A sign of the times! Thank you for your experienced commentary.
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@fischerusarmy9 months ago Truth, had a previous sport bike rider purchase a street glide 2 months prior to sturgis rally. Day one, he dropped it going down a slight grassy hill . ...Expand
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@vertigoat75969 months ago Spot on, again. There are 3 big harleys sitting in 3 different garages all within 500ft of my house. None of them are ever out. All those guys have t id="hidden74"he exact same story. Had to have a bike of their dreams, couldnt handle them and now they are collecting dust. Im sure that story isnt exclusive to harleys, but it sure seems to be the go to brand. My father was rather offended that i bought a suzuki. ...Expand 2
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@QuadeQuick9 months ago Kevin, you are one of the few authorities who has the chops to make the title statement. And back it up with common-sense observations. I' m a proud . ...Expand 36
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@stretmediq3 months ago As a paramedic i' ve responded to a lot of motorcycle wrecks and by far the most common are inexperienced riders on harleys.
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@victorrodriguez-mx9su9 months ago I have been a motorcycle technician for 20 years now, and ive seen the new rider blues on almost every brand of motorcycle. One guy in particular was 1 . ...Expand
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@azurwth019 months ago Good video wasn' t sure where u was gonna go with that title lol, i started on a 08 nighster 1200 i spent 2 years on that then went to a 2010 street . ...Expand
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@bernard2012kiwi6 months ago Uk full motorcycle course and test in the uk was 5 days and finished with a 45 minute test with the examiner riding a motorcycle behind me. I learned so i went straight to a hd dyna convertsble. ...Expand
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@tommythompson66029 months ago I also dropped the heritage in my garage when the kickstand didn' t latch, luckily didn' t damage the bike. After almost 30 years of riding lol.
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@BirdArvid9 months ago I saw one of these riders just yesterday; tried to do a u-turn with two wide lanes and a couple of yards of run-off to turn into and he sort of kept leaning . ...Expand 8
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@mythoughts1059 months ago Have a street 500 and agree 100% with you. Started riding again after 15+ years and although have got a full licence still ride the street 500 and practice . ...Expand 1
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@flashgordon62389 months ago Been on harleys since 1981. Started on a honda trail 70 in 1973. Then bought a honda cb350, then bought a 1981 ltd kawasaki 10 off the show room floor. . ...Expand 1
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@ewetho9 months ago I can say i graduated from msf and got my brand new dream motorcycle but, luckily for me it was a royal enfield himalayan and honestly it is easier to ride than the 200 ktm duke i used in class. 1
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@genxray9513 months ago A friend of a friend said he was thinking of getting a cruiser bike and he was asking me what i thought, he hadn' t done much riding and didn' t i get people want the excitement of riding, but so many go about getting there completely bass ackwards. ...Expand
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@patrickjoy95519 months ago I have had a motorcycle in some form since i was 10. I am now 57 and still have some learning to do. I had honda' s, yammerhammers and now a harley . ...Expand 1
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@andykober22839 months ago Great segment! After a hiatus of over 30 years and more recently dealing with cancer, i decided to ride again. Took the msf basic course sponsored by the . ...Expand 4
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@65Max3 months ago My first three motorcycles. A very long time ago. Were hondas. 1. 50cc, 2. Cb 350, 3. 80 cc. I don' t remember the names of the 50 & 90 but id="hidden86" all of them were fun. The smaller ones were for around town & the larger for longer rides and commuting.
my first harley was an ' 03 883 with 5k miles on it. That was a nice, nimble bike. My second one, after learning well and taking safety classes, was the ' 05 ultra classic. That served its 2-up touring purpose very well. I enjoyed both of them for their designed purpose even riding both on the tail of the dragon. Even 2-up on the ultra.
i really wanted the gold wing as my touring, 2-up bike but it was too tall and unsafe for my 5' 7" frame. The ultra was my second choice. But happy to make it and join up with so many new, great, and helpful friends. Each has its place and i ride with all bikers on many brands and encourage all to ride respectfully and safely. ...Expand
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@williamdobbins31319 months ago I didn' t have time available for the mac class, so i tested at dmv. Started with a honda magna 700 (1984) went to a shadow 1100, then a yamaha road . ...Expand
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@hogwildbowhunter9 months ago Hey my wife loves her harley street 750! I my self started on a honda 70! 1